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    hCG and Pregnenolone; What you should know.

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    When a man introduces Testosterone exogenously it significantly changes how the Hypothalamus(H), Pituitary(P) and Testicle(T) glands react to each other in keeping men's androgenic hormones in balance. Many of our hormones act in a cascading event and the axis between the these three glands are no different.

    When T levels are low in a normal healthy man the Hypothalamus releases a "releasing" hormone (LHRH) that tells the Pituitary to release another hormone known as Luteinizing Hormone (LH). In turn, LH reaches the receptors on the Leydig cells within the testicles telling them to do their thing among which is the production of Pregnenolone from Cholesterol, Sperm and Testosterone among other things needed downstream in all hormonal pathways.

    Exogenous Testosterone halts the HPT Axis (HPTA) and as such the testicles are no longer receiving LH. This is know by most of us as simply "shutdown" or "HPTA suppression."

    In order for men on a TRT protocol where they are in a state of shutdown/suppression to make up for the lost production of LH they will need add hCG to their protocol which is a bioidentical form of LH (LH Analog).

    hCG ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin[/url]) is a water based peptide hormone that can only be injected to replace the lost LH hormone that a TRT protocol shuts down. There are "so called" oral forms of hCG that some men are placed on, or purchased from other sources, but from all that I read it's not possible to injest hCG and get it past the liver to make its efficacy plausible. Recently, oral micronized verions of hCG are available by prescription and have shown to be a successful alternative to injections for some men...talk to your Doctor.

    So what happens when a man testicles don't function anymore do to the lack of LH?

    1. The Biggie: Testicular Atrophy. Men will see their testes get smaller over time and hurt constantly along the way. The duration for this event seems to be different in men where younger guys can seem to go longer where mid to older guys see the event happens on a more accelerated scale. Some think it happens to do with the amount of receptors on the Leydig cells...but who really knows.
    2. Sperm production is pretty much halted.
    3. Men's scrotum's will get really tight and pull up against the body causing pain and end up looking like a 5 year old.
    4. The testes are the single largest producer of the hormone Pregnenolone; the mother of all hormones ([url]http://www.antiaging-systems.com/165 pregnenolone-metabolite[/url]) We need Pregnenolone for so many reasons (read the link) and while it can be supplemented it's hit or miss on how effective supplementation can be for some men.



    Why we need hCG:
    1. To produce Pregnenolone; hCG activates the p450 side chain cleavage (p450scc) enzyme which converts cholesterol to Pregnenolone!!! (Read the link above, please.)
    2. To produce the precursors for DHEA, Estrogen, Cortisol, Testosterone and DHT...back filling the pathways (See #1 above)
    3. For proper and normal brain function
    4. For proper functioning of the testicles
    5. If men ever want to restart
    6. If men ever want to have children
    7. If men don't want balls that end up in a small mass of useless Collagen
    8. The list goes on...

    In short, hCG keeps the testicles functioning in a normal state and supports all three androgen pathways. It prevents pregnenolone deficiency and supporting all our other CHOL pathways and hormones as well.

    As we've all seen first hand in this community; when a man on a TRT protocol is not on hCG they complain of shrinking testicle and the accompanying pain that goes with it.

    But when they start on hCG (because of all the things listed above and more) they all state how much better they feel and the pain associated with their testicular atrophy subsiding and that their testicles feel much better as well.

    Does a man need hCG on a TRT protocol? Nope. But for all the reasons above a man should be made aware of why hCG and Pregnenolone are important to their health and well being on a life long journey of TRT.

    The efficacy for hCG for both Primary and Secondary Hypogonadism has been documented. For those whose Doctor refuses to prescribe HCG as part of your TRT protocol print this study abstract and force them to read it:

    Tung-Chin Hsieh, Alexander W. Pastuszak, Kathleen Hwang and Larry I. Lipshultz*,Ü

    From the Division of Urology, University of California-San Diego (TCH), San Diego, California, Scott Department of Urology, Baylor College of Medicine (AWP, LIL), Houston, Texas, and Department of Urology (KH), Brown University School of Medicine, Providence, Rhode Island

    Purpose: Testosterone replacement therapy results in decreased serum gonadotropins and intratesticular testosterone , and impairs spermatogenesis, leading to azoospermia in 40% of patients. However, intratesticular testosterone can be maintained during testosterone replacement therapy with co-administration of low dose human chorionic gonadotropin , which may support continued spermatogenesis in patients on testosterone replacement therapy.

    Materials and Methods: We retrospectively reviewed the records of hypogonadal men treated with testosterone replacement therapy and concomitant low dose human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG ). Testosterone replacement consisted of daily topical gel or weekly intramuscular injection with intramuscular human chorionic gonadotro- pin (500 IU) every other day. Serum and free testosterone, estradiol, semen parameters and pregnancy rates were evaluated before and during therapy.

    Results: A total of 26 men with a mean age of 35.9 years were included in the study. Mean followup was 6.2 months. Of the men 19 were treated with injectable testosterone and 7 were treated with transdermal gel. Mean serum hormone levels before vs during treatment were testosterone 207.2 vs 1,055.5 ng/dl (p <0.0001), free testosterone 8.1 vs 20.4 pg/ml (p = 0.02) and estradiol 2.2 vs 3.7 pg/ml (p = 0.11). Pretreatment semen parameters were volume 2.9 ml, density 35.2 million per ml, motility 49.0% and forward progression 2.3. No differences in semen parameters were observed during greater than 1 year of followup. No impact on semen parameters was observed as a function of testosterone formulation. No patient became azoospermic during concomitant testosterone replacement and human chorionic gonadotropin therapy. Nine of 26 men contributed to pregnancy with the partner during followup.

    Conclusions: Low dose human chorionic gonadotropin appears to maintain semen parameters in hypogonadal men on testosterone replacement therapy. Concurrent testosterone replacement and human chorionic gonadotropin use may preserve fertility in hypogonadal males who desire fertility preservation while on testosterone replacement therapy.


    Reconstituting 5,000IUís of hCG
    Use a larger bore (i.e., 18g) needle, and transfer your bacteriostatic water into the vial with the freeze dried hCG powder. You want to inject until you have added a total of 2ml's of solution. Keep the powder and vial upright because you can blow the hCG out of it when you pull the needle out of the vial. Otherwise be sure to draw air out after you push the water in to release pressure each time. Also, make sure to hold the plunger of the syringe when you first penetrate the vial as there is a vacuum inside the vial and it will want to pull the plunger down at an accelerated rate and you donít want that to happen.

    Reconstituting 10,000IUís of hCG
    Use a larger bore (i.e., 18g) needle, and transfer your bacteriostatic water into the vial with the freeze dried hCG powder. You want to inject until you have added a total of 4ml's of solution. Keep the powder and vial upright because you can blow the hCG out of it when you pull the needle out of the vial. Otherwise be sure to draw air out after you push the water in to release pressure each time. Also, make sure to hold the plunger of the syringe when you first penetrate the vial as there is a vacuum inside the vial and it will want to pull the plunger down at an accelerated rate and you donít want that to happen.

    When completed, gently swirl the vial to mix. Keep in the refrigerator once reconstituted. It will keep its potency for 60 to 90 days.

    When using an insulin syringe, each unit (line) on the scale of the syringe equals 25IU's of hCG. 250IUís of hCG is then 10 units on the side of the insulin syringe.

    Note: Due primarily to the shelf life of reconstituted hCG itís best advised to use the smaller 5,000IU vials as opposed to the 10,000IU which sits longer.

    hCG Injection Protocols
    Letís start by saying that there are no hard and fast rules for hCG injection protocols. There are a number of well known Physicians who have recommendations and prescribe based on their experience with patientís subjective responses to treatment and subsequent serum levels. There are other variables as well that need to be taking into consideration when contemplating hCG injection protocols like whether or not the man is Primary or Secondary Hypogonadal can determine hCG injection protocols.

    That being said, there are a number of hCG injection protocols that appear more commonly and are based on Testosterone injection frequency and or the use of a cream or gel.

    Note: It's not advisable to inject more then 500iu's of hCG in any 24 hour period as it can increase intratesticular E2 which an AI is largely ineffective in controlling. Additionally, there is a theory that large amounts of hCG may desensitize the receptors on the lydeg cells.

    Once a Week Testosterone Injection Protocols
    If a man injects Testosterone on a once a week basis the more common protocol is to use 250IU of hCG two days before and one day before their next testosterone injection. The theory here is that Testosterone serum levels are at near half life and the injection of hCG on these days increase natural production creating a bridge until the next testosterone injection.

    Twice a Week Testosterone Injections
    If a man injects twice a week similar to an every 3.5 day schedule the more common protocol are smaller doses more frequently. Itís not uncommon to see men inject 250IU of hCG on an EOD basis or on a Monday-Wednesday-Friday protocol.

    Cream or Gel Daily Use
    If a man uses a Cream and/or Gel some of the top Testosterone Repla***ent Physicians, like Dr. John *******, recommend patients use 100iu of hCG every day.

    hCG Injections
    Injecting hCG prevents a drug induced Pregnenolone deficiency and helps support the other androgen pathways as well. When men are on a TRT protocol without hCG and then add in hCG many report a significant improvement in mood that many attribute to restored Pregnenolone levels.

    When injecting hCG, you inject into the fat under the skin just the same as diabetics inject insulin. The product literature is all about use a fertility drug for women with large IM [injected into muscle] doses. There is no need for men to inject hCG IM.

    Research using SC injections in men has demonstrated the effectiveness of the 250 iu EOD dosing. You can seek diabetic patient educational material for insulin injection techniques to use for hCG and/or testosterone injections.

    Pregnenolone - Why You Need It
    Pregnenolone is a hormone that many Doctors and men are not familiar with or understand it's role in the CHOL pathways but it's critically important to our health as it is a "precursor hormone" to all other hormones. Restoring Pregnenolone to optimal levels is important but seems to get the least attention by Doctors. Remember, the testes are the single largest producer of the hormone Pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for proper mental functioning and is the precursor to all of the steroid hormones found in the three CHOL pathways such as DHEA, testosterone, DHT, estrogen, cortisol...

    So what are the benefits of Pregnenolone?

    In our bodies Pregnenolone is manufactured by cholesterol (CHOL). The hormone performs many functions in a mans body, including:


    1. Promotes healthy brain function and protects against dementia and Alzheimer's disease. Many men state feeling good when they start supplementing Pregnenolone.
    2. It can also prevent age related diseases and support the Central Nervous System (CNS).
    3. Boosts the immune system and increases energy produciton.
    4. Protects against coronary disease and improves heart health and can lower cholesterol levels.
    5. Enhances mood and relieves depression. Many men state their mood betters when they start supplementation.
    6. Relieves arthritis pain!
    7. Fights the effects of fatigue and stress.



    The optimal serum levels for Pregnenolone is 180 ng/dl for men. Pregnenolone can be purchased over the counter in a pill (micronized is the best for pills) or sublingual form in addition to transdermal creams. A typical dose is 50 to 200 mg daily best taken in the morning on an empty stomach (cream applied in the morning as well). Pregnenolone is considered safe and because is converts to DHEA which leads to other hormones it's best to get your Pregnenolone levels tested before supplementing.

    DHEA Supplementation
    Dehydroepiandrosterone: DHEA
    As presented by Dr. Neal Rouzier, M.D.

    Here's a great reason to add DHEA to your protcol.

    DHEA is a hormone secreted primarily by the adrenal glands. It results in a shift of a catabolic state to an anabolic or protein building state.

     It reduces cardiovascular risks by increasing lipolyses (decrease visceral fat).
     It stimulates the immune system, restores sexual vitality, improves moods, decreases cholesterol and body fat.
     It improves memory, increases energy, and has anti-cancer properties by enhancing the immune system.
     It is an endocrine precursor to other hormones, prevents immuno-senescence, loss of sleep, osteoporosis, atherosclerosis.
     DHEA reduces insulin requirement
     Adrenal hormone anabolic vs. catabolic metabolism
     Restores immunity
     Prevents osteoporosis, increases bone density
     Prevents cancer in lab animals
     Prevents diabetes & heart disease
     Decreases visceral fat
     Improves mood & well-being
     Improves energy & memory
     Slows aging process in lab animals
     Prevents lipid peroxidation = antioxidant
     Endocrine precursor to T.P.E.
     7-keto DHEA is not a precursor to other HRT = avoid
     Neurotransmitter (recently discovered)
     Presently pending FDA approval for Lupus (Prasterone)

    Clinically substantiated uses of DHEA include replacement for:
     Low DHEA levels
     Chronic disease
     Adrenal exhaustion or corticosteroid therapy
     SLE
     Improving bone density
     Improving depression & mood disorders
     Enhancing immune response by activating T-cells
     Improving well-being
     Decreasing cardiovascular risk
     Improving erectile dysfunction
     Anyone over 40
     DHEA has never been shown to reverse the aging process
     Nevertheless DHEA is important for preventive medicine
     DHEA inhibits synthesis of thromboxane A2, reduces plasminogen activator inhibitor, and tissue plasminogen activator
    Ė all decreasing platelet aggregation and ischemia.

    Administraiton:
    Men<200lb: 50mg AM
    Men>200lb: 75-100mg AM

    Women <50yo: 10-15mg AM
    Women >50yo: 25mg AM

    IMPORTANT:
    DHEA Serum Levels
     MEN
     Range 100-600
     Optimal 500-600
     WOMEN
     Range 50-300
     Optimal 200-250

    Higher levels in women predispose them to side effects Ė therefore stay low
     Monitor monthly until optimal
     Assure correct dose and compliance
     Measure DHEA-S and not DHEA

    Side effects: acne, hirsutism
     Tx: Lower dose or take QOD Spironolactone 100 mg/day
     Contraindicated in sex hormone responsive tumors Ė breast, ovarian, uterine, prostate
     Conversion to T.P.E.?
     DHEA raises testosterone levels in women slightly, yet not in men
     DHEA raises estradiol slightly in men

    Indications:
     Over age 40 for health protection
     Preventive medicine and well-being
     Symptoms of aging, mood & depression
     ĎCause the medical literature suggests it if we want to live longer, happier, healthier

    DHEA Ė S04 MEN Blood levels
     Optimal : 500-600 ug/ml
     Side effects rare in men
    WOMEN
     Optimal : 200-250 ug/ml
     Dose based on side effects
     Side effects very common in women

    DHEA Dose MEN
     Capsule Ė SR micronized
     50 mg Q am
     >200 lbs Ė 75 - 100 mg Q am

    WOMEN Capsule Ė SR micronized
     10 mg Q am if over 40
     15 mg Q am if over 50
     25 mg Q am if over 60
     If under age 40, do not prescribe due to sensitivity causing side effects.

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    One of my favorite of the many informative articles that GD has written.

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    Excellent info GD!! We need more info like this!

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    Ok guys, question....if a person is supplementing with Pregnenolone and since, according to the write up, Pregnenolone is converted to DHEA would there be a need to supplement with DHEA if Pregnenolone were at optimal levels as proven by BW? Thanks guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon View Post
    Ok guys, question....if a person is supplementing with Pregnenolone and since, according to the write up, Pregnenolone is converted to DHEA would there be a need to supplement with DHEA if Pregnenolone were at optimal levels as proven by BW? Thanks guys!
    The addition is necessary because the majority of the compound is destroyed via digestive acids. Conversion typically will not suffice.

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    Thanks a lot! A great and informative piece of work!

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    I was reading all you information and since I am fairly new with the program, I am asking about the injection of hCG. All the bottle says is twice weekly. After reading your information twice weekly should be two days and then one day before the injection, not just twice weekly?. I quess I better keep reading.

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    When I was a younger I took "prohormones" which was basically a mild steroid I think. Is their a way to reverse the effects when on them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry1240284 View Post
    When I was a younger I took "prohormones" which was basically a mild steroid I think. Is their a way to reverse the effects when on them?
    Can you be a bit more specific with your question?

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